naasking 16 minutes ago

You'll get better efficiency running a Stirling engine from a lightweight solar collector. I actually wonder how it would compare if you equalize the weight.

VladVladikoff 3 hours ago

Conventional solar cells also suffer from decreased efficiency (-0.45%/°C) as temperature increases, a the inclusion of TEGs could help dissipate this waste heat while simultaneously increasing solar panel efficiency.

  • itishappy 8 minutes ago

    I've done research on exactly this, and the efficiencies of TEGs makes this a tough prospect. It started to work out in our favor when using concentrated solar to reduce the amount of paneling needed, but that's no longer an economic driver, and you get a much better return on investment by skipping the TEGs and just plopping a few extra panels down in a lake.

  • sunshinesnacks 2 hours ago

    Minor correction/note: most modern modules/cells have a temperature coefficient in the range of approx. -0.27 to -0.35%/°C. A little better than -0.45%.

    See fig 14 in [1] for data through 2021/22, and then the more recent transition to n-type cells is helping more [2]. This database [3] doesn't list module release date, but filtering for modules with STC rating over 500 W (decent proxy for "modern") gives an average of -0.34%°C, with a lot at or better than -0.30.

    [1] https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ise/de/documents/p... [2] https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy22osti/82871.pdf [3] https://github.com/NREL/SAM/blob/patch/deploy/libraries/CEC%...

pfdietz 3 hours ago

Efficiency of 0.25%. Like a dancing bear, the amazing thing is that it dances at all, not that it dances well.

  • kragen 2 hours ago

    That's still 2.5 watts per square meter in direct sun, 0.5 watts per square meter as a round-the-clock average. More than enough to keep your cellphone charged with a square meter. A section of a farm is 2.6 million square meters.

    The bigger question is not what its efficiency is, which is to say, how much sunlight it needs per watt, but what its material consumption is—how much bismuth it needs per watt. Sunlight is abundant; bismuth isn't.

    But presumably it can be improved.

    • pfdietz 2 hours ago

      Or just cover 1% of that area with PV.

      • kilpikaarna 2 hours ago

        Can you make PV at home?

        Thermoelectric devices are interesting because they can be manufactured using comparatively simple metallurgy. Not because their efficiency is competitive with semiconductor photovoltaics.

        • gene-h an hour ago

          Perovskite solar cells could be and dye sensitized solar cells can be[0]. The better question is why should one make solar cells at home?

          [0]https://www.instructables.com/How-to-Build-Use-A-Dye-Sensiti...

          • AtlasBarfed an hour ago

            Solar panels enabling offgrid power is tagcloud-related to surviving human civilization collapse.

            We're entering an era of decreased globalism, where megacorporation scale actually becomes a danger to society due to reduced warehousing/stockpiling and long extended supply lines, and of course offshored manufacturing that goes with that.

    • selimthegrim an hour ago

      You can make Schottky solar cells too with bismuth but as others have pointed out optimum operating temperature is different for thermoelectrics.